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Poster: Space Jogger Date: Sep 6, 2011 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Because Pigpen does play harmonica during caution. You can obviously tell a difference in the playing.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 6, 2011 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Right on. Pigpen never sounded like this other guy.
I suspect Pig was singing in Alligator, but his mike was dead or not connected. (Could be an aftereffect of the Who smashing all the mikes on the stage?)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 8, 2011 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Interesting theory about playing in The Who's aftermath. I agree that it doesn't really sound like Pig on Alligator, but I was hoping to rule it out.

Sure, his playing sounds good on Caution, but Caution is a one-chord song that they'd been playing for almost a year and a half at that point. Alligator was still a new song and is a little trickier musically. Given that we don't hear Pig singing or playing the organ, I think it's a least possible that the awful noise we hear is Pigpen trying to work out a harmonica part for Alligator.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2011 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Jerry is quoted as having said, more or less: "Monterey was terrible...we were between Jimi and the Who, and just got up, plinked our instruments, and sat down...completely over-shadowed..." or some such.

As with his retort to Mickey about the CREAM, in which he is unwilling to gush as Mickey and Jack C do (see prior threads on their comments), I think Jerry was a big believer in the "DEAD myth", as applied to ANY group: ie, that you can be really "on" and really "off", and in a way, this is a nice perspective to have as a protective device (ie, it's no biggie if you suck, etc., and conversely, the "other guys" are not REALLY that much better than you since they are "just having a good night").

I am not saying Jerry did it for this reason, but I completely reject this notion.

I understand it's "true" at some level, of course, BUT in general, the DEAD from 74 to 82 were largely very uniform when I saw them. Esp if you saw them a number of nights in a row. Subtle diff's, sure, and perhaps enough for a performer to pt to and say "see? we sucked in that tune", but no so much from the AUD perspective, if you follow.

The mythology, by extension is DEFN not true: "oh, well, if you'd seen them on a good night, you'd love them!" The DEAD were the DEAD. You either liked them or did not, but it was impacted very little by which particular night, or era, that you happened to experience them "in", IMnotsoHO.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Except that you also hear that harmonica bleating in Cold Rain & Snow, which they'd been doing for over a year!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 8, 2011 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

You're probably right, although I don't hear Pig's organ on CR&S either. Perhaps they were having trouble getting it hooked up and he unwisely tried to improvise harmonica parts on songs he'd never played harmonica on before. I just think it's possible.

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